Is it OK to pay someone less for parts of the same job?

How consistent should you be in paying someone for help?

A reader from Ohio we’re calling Lira wrote that she and husband sometimes hire teenagers or adults to help them with different projects at their home, which sits on 10 acres. They pay by the hour for an agreed-upon price for projects including weeding, raking, clearing brush, or helping to split and stack wood. Since they heat their home with wood, they are often cutting up fallen trees and using the split and stacked wood during the winter.

Recently, a tornado passed near their town, knocking down several trees on their property, causing them to look for help clearing up the branches and logs. “My husband was really just looking for some local teenager to come help with the grunt work of gathering up the branches and moving them,” wrote Lira. But they spoke with one gentleman who wanted $20 an hour which was more than their budget would allow for gathering branches and logs. They were looking to pay $15 an hour. “Not a big difference, but enough for our budget concerns.”

But the man also told Lira and her husband that he had experience using a chainsaw to cut the downed trees into logs and then splitting them. For splitting and cutting wood, Lira typically budgets $20 an hour because it involves more dangerous work and needs someone with experience who knows how to be careful.

Lira would like to hire the gentleman but wonders if it would be wrong to offer to pay him $15 an hour for the job that requires less experience and knowledge, but then pay that same person $20 an hour for the other job. “This question has been bugging me for a while now,” wrote Lira, who asked for advice.

It seems perfectly reasonable for the gentleman to ask for $20 an hour to do the work. But there would be nothing wrong if Lira asked him if he was willing to do the gathering of branches and logs for $15 an hour with the understanding that he would be paid $20 an hour for chainsaw and splitting work.

Lira needs to be prepared for him to say no to anything less than $20 an hour for any of the work. She then has the option of hiring a second person at a lower rate to do the work requiring less experience and to offer to hire the $20 an hour guy for the more experienced work.

He may or may not agree to the smaller job. If he doesn’t, Lira and her husband will be left trying to find someone else to do everything. As long as Lira is prepared that her offer may be rejected, there is nothing wrong with her presenting it as a possibility.

It's not unreasonable to expect that different kinds of work might be paid at a different rate even if it’s the same person doing it. It’s up to the prospective hire to agree or disagree.

The right thing is for Lira and her husband to be clear with whomever they attempt to hire from the outset about the scope of the work and what they are willing to pay. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking.

Jeffrey L. Seglin, author of "The Simple Art of Business Etiquette: How to Rise to the Top by Playing Nice," is a senior lecturer in public policy, emeritus, at Harvard's Kennedy School. He is also the administrator of www.jeffreyseglin.com, a blog focused on ethical issues. 

Do you have ethical questions that you need to have answered? Send them to jeffreyseglin@gmail.com. Follow him on Twitter @jseglin

 (c) 2024 JEFFREY L. SEGLIN. Distributed by TRIBUNE CONTENT AGENCY, LLC.

 

Who’s responsible to make things clear to customers?

Is it wrong that many essential things in life are too complicated to do without hiring assistance?

On several occasions over the past months, I have received comments from readers about challenges they have faced getting services or sorting out their personal lives. The issues they’ve faced have included gaining clarity on health care coverage and altering legal documents after a spouse’s death. But they also have been as simple as trying to change cable television or cell phone service.

With the simpler items – cell and cable TV service – the challenge dealt with being placed on hold for interminable amounts of time before finally being connected with a human being who was knowledgeable enough to assist.

With the more complicated items, the solutions were far more involved and have taken months to sort out. In the case of the health care coverage, it took a reader months before a representative at a hospital billing office acknowledged that the hospital had incorrectly filed insurance claims for coverage. With the legal documents, the reader was finally advised to attend an online webinar to walk him through the process of filing documents. In spite of a glimmer of hope that fixes are at hand, each is yet to be resolved.

Each reader expressed feeling both frustrated and ignorant by not being able to figure out how to get done what they were hoping to get done. The frustration was added to in each case by the organization not swiftly trying to assist when the challenges arose.

Organizations might promise customers that most of their questions or problems might be more simply resolved by using the organization’s website or a smartphone app, but too often these options result in adding another layer of confusion. Getting through to a knowledgeable human being becomes an even more distant possibility.

It’s not much solace to reassure a frustrated reader that what they are going through is not likely a result of their ignorance of anything other than what the organization has not made clear to its customers. Trying to convince a reader that many have been through similar situations and that ultimately – with a lot of time and diligence – all will get resolved also falls on weary ears.

There’s a sense among these readers that an organization’s ultimate goal is that the customer will just give up. That’s unlikely the case given that in many cases the organization stands to gain more business if their customers could just figure out how to do business with them.

If an organization has a customer advocate, that’s often a good person to ask for to assist in navigating a solution. But if organizations truly want to attract and retrain customers and to gain new business when these customers make recommendations to friends, the right thing is to put a pause on efforts to automate or create layers of red tape and to spend time figuring out how to make it as simple as possible for customers to find resolution to whatever it is they are trying to get done. They also might hire a good editor to make sure that any written instructions are worded as simply and clear as possible.

It is not unreasonable for customers to expect to be able to do business with the people with whom they have been paying to do business.

Jeffrey L. Seglin, author of "The Simple Art of Business Etiquette: How to Rise to the Top by Playing Nice," is a senior lecturer in public policy, emeritus, at Harvard's Kennedy School. He is also the administrator of www.jeffreyseglin.com, a blog focused on ethical issues. 

Do you have ethical questions that you need to have answered? Send them to jeffreyseglin@gmail.com. Follow him on Twitter @jseglin

 (c) 2024 JEFFREY L. SEGLIN. Distributed by TRIBUNE CONTENT AGENCY, LLC.

To be an engaged citizen, vote

Is it wrong not to vote in elections?

An old friend chides me for regularly encouraging people to register to vote and then to vote in local, state, and federal elections. Among the reasons he cites for not having voted since 2012, are that he’s not a fan of any of the candidates running or that his vote is unlikely to make a difference. Nevertheless, I persist in encouraging him and others to register and to vote.

My friend is not alone in choosing not to vote. In the 2020 presidential election, only 66.9 percent of eligible voters chose to vote. That was higher than the turnouts in 2016 (59.2 percent), 2012 (58 percent), and 2008 (62.5 percent). Those voters who didn’t vote in the 2020 presidential election could have made a difference in the outcome given the closeness of four states: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia. Joseph Biden beat Donald Trump by fewer than 125,000 votes in those four states. Back in 2000, George W. Bush beat Albert Gore by only 537 votes in Florida, a victory that put Bush in office over Gore (with the help of a Supreme Court ruling).

My friend hasn’t voted in state or local elections since 2012 either, even though he acknowledges that elections closer to home are likely to have more of a direct impact on his day-to-day affairs. But voter turnout in state and local elections is typically far worse than in presidential elections. In my home state of Massachusetts, only 51.42 percent of registered voters showed up to vote in the 2022 midterm elections. Even closer to my home in Boston, only 18.97 percent of registered voters showed up to vote in the 2023 municipal election.

Unlike the United States, at least 21 countries make voting mandatory. In Australia, where voting is mandatory, an average of roughly 92 percent of eligible voters cast a vote, even though the fine for a first-time offender is only AU$20 (roughly $13 US) for not voting.

We don’t make voting compulsory in the United States and I’m not arguing that we should. My non-voting friend will sometimes chide me for encouraging everyone to vote even if it’s likely many will vote for someone or something he doesn’t like. But I continue to believe that as responsible citizens we should vote and accept the results of any elections even if our candidate or issue doesn’t win. (Full disclosure, in terms of party affiliation, I am registered as an “unenrolled” voter in Massachusetts, which is what my state calls non-party affiliated voters or independents.)

My non-voting friend should not be stripped of any rights (including that of complaining about his elected officials or regulations) because he doesn’t vote. Not voting is his right as a fellow citizen.

But if we truly want to have a voice in how our cities, states, or country are governed, the right thing is to register to vote and then vote in every election for which you are eligible to vote.

To get started, consider consulting BallotReady and Vote 411, a site run by the League of Women Voters. Each site includes information on national and local ballots, as it becomes available. Type in your location to get local election information and then please consider exercising your right to vote.

Jeffrey L. Seglin, author of "The Simple Art of Business Etiquette: How to Rise to the Top by Playing Nice," is a senior lecturer in public policy, emeritus, at Harvard's Kennedy School. He is also the administrator of www.jeffreyseglin.com, a blog focused on ethical issues. Do you have ethical questions that you need to have answered? Send them to jeffreyseglin@gmail.com. Follow him on Twitter @jseglin

(c) 2024 JEFFREY L. SEGLIN. Distributed by TRIBUNE CONTENT AGENCY, LLC.

Is it ever OK to take someone else’s grocery cart?

Is it OK to take someone else’s grocery cart if it seems clear it’s not being used?

Typically, when a reader we’re calling Herman goes grocery shopping, there are dozens of empty grocery carts at the front of the store available for customers to use while shopping. But recently when Herman got to the grocery store, there were no empty grocery carts to be found.

He went to the courtesy counter and asked if there were any empty carts available anywhere but was told that if they weren’t out front, he was out of luck. He was advised to use a small handcart, which Herman knew wasn’t nearly big enough to hold all of the groceries he planned to purchase. Nevertheless, Herman grabbed a handcart and persisted in his grocery shopping adventure.

He quickly noticed that many of the shelves throughout the store were being stacked and that new signs were being placed on various items’ shelves. He also noticed that there were at least 20 shopping carts full of boxes or signs or other items that clerks were using to re-stock shelves.

As he got to the delicatessen counter, Herman noticed there were two grocery carts. Each was half full of empty boxes that had been broken down and laid flat. By the time he reached the deli counter, Herman’s hand cart was already almost full, so he set it on the floor and then proceeded to move the flattened boxes from one grocery cart and put them into the other. He then transferred his groceries from his hand cart into the grocery cart and went on his way.

Herman was concerned that he might have crossed a line by taking the cart. He also was concerned that whoever had been putting those empty boxes into the cart would hunt him down and chastise him for taking it. The latter never happened, but Herman still wonders if he was wrong to transfer the flattened boxes to another cart and then use it rather than finding someone to ask permission first.

I’m with Herman and likely would have done the same thing. The carts were only half full and none of the boxes were full. He didn’t toss anything onto the floor to empty a cart, but found a way to try to minimize any disruption to whoever had been emptying the boxes. He did the right thing by asking the courtesy desk first and then trying to find a solution that might solve his challenge without causing hardship to others.

But a larger question is why the grocery store would tie up all of its grocery carts by having them used for restocking shelves. Also, why wasn’t anyone around to inform customers of the shortage when they entered the store? And why was there no one around many of the grocery carts – including the one Herman took – so a customer could ask about using it? The grocery store management team should have found a way to do its job without causing such a disruption to shoppers. That would have been the right thing to do.

Jeffrey L. Seglin, author of The Simple Art of Business Etiquette: How to Rise to the Top by Playing Nice, is a senior lecturer in public policy, emeritus, at Harvard's Kennedy School. He is also the administrator of www.jeffreyseglin.com, a blog focused on ethical issues.

Do you have ethical questions that you need to have answered? Send them to jeffreyseglin@gmail.com. 

Follow him on Twitter @jseglin

(c) 2024 JEFFREY L. SEGLIN. Distributed by TRIBUNE CONTENT AGENCY, LLC.